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Books and media

Today we looked at the media messages around HIV/AIDS on Siyayinqoba Beat It! 2006. Positive messages in books, magazines, TV and radio programmes can change behaviour and inform audience effectively. Media messages can also have negative effects, creating poor stereotypes. We need to promote openness and successful role models for people living with HIV. We talk to Adam Levin author of AIDSafari, we are joined by members of loveLife and Health-e and we also spoke to some of our viewers about what they would like to see happen on Siyayinqoba Beat it!

Shalom Ncala: Molweni, siyani amukela iqenjeni leSiyayinqoba Beat It!support group. Ingama lami ngingu Shalom Ncala. Eqenjeni loSiyayinqoba Beat It! sonke siphila kahle neHIV. Sanibonani nonke. Ninjani kodwa nahlanje. Njalo ngeviki siyahlangana ukuzoxoxisana ngezindaba ezithinta iziphilo zethu, ukusukhela ukuzi akhela ingandi yakho yokudla, ukufikela imiphumeleni emibi yamaARVs. USiyayinqoba huhlelo lakho lokuphila kanqcono ngeHIV. Uma uphila negciwane leHIV noma unomulingani yilunga lomundeni noma umngani, iphila ne HIV. uSiyayinqoba ngeyakho. Namhlanje sibheka imilayezo zokuxhumana ephathelene neHIV . Imilayezo imihle ezincwadini amaphepha bhuku, yi TV kanye nomusakhazo ingaguqula ukuziphatha futhi ababukheli ngephumelelo. Imilayezo zokuxhumana ingaphinda futhi ibenomuthelela imibi ongayenza imicabanga yethu ibheke indaweni eyodwa. Si ndinga ukuthuthukisa obala nabantu abayizibonelo abanephumelelo abaphila neHIV. Kumele siqaphele ulimu olusetsheziswayo kanye nemicabango imibi ikuxhumaneni ngokubanzi ngokuxhumana. Masiboneni ukuthi ababukeli bethu bazothini ngalesi sihloko {IsiZulu} [Hello and welcome to the Siyayinqoba Beat It! support group. In the Beat It! support group, we are all living positively with HIV. Hello everybody. Each week, we get together to discuss issues that affect our lives, from creating your own food gardens to side effects of ARVs. Siyayinqoba is your guide to better living with HIV. If you are living with HIV, or you have a partner, a family member or a friend who is HIV positive, Siyayinqoba is for you. Today we’re looking at the media messages around HIV/AIDS. Positive messages in books, magazines; TV and radio programmes can change behaviour and inform audience effectively. Media messages can also have negative effects, creating poor stereotypes. We need to promote openness and successful role models for people living with HIV. We must be aware of language that is used and stereotypes in mass media communication. Let’s see what our audience has to say on this topic.

Question: [How does the media influence the way in which we view HIV/AIDS?] {Sesotho}

Shalom Ncala: Kuloluhlelo lanamhlanje sifuna ukuamukhela ubhali Adam Levin obhale incadi ibizwa ukuthi yiAIDS SAFARI ositshela ngohambo lwakhe lokuphila nge HIV. {IsiZulu} [As our guest today, we’d like to welcome author Adam Levin. Whose book, AIDSAFARI, tells us about his journey as a person living with HIV.] Welcome Adam, how are you today? First of all Adam I would like thank you for an honest book, but back to the kind of job that you do in terms of media and everything. What do you think the media’s role should be in sending out messages about HIV/AIDS, and what are the current roles that you’ve seen, and the cycle?

Adam Levin, Author, AIDSafari: Oh, well I think it is a very complex subject and I think and there is lots of things that needs to be articulated. For me the major problem is a lot of muddled information. I think if I’d had clearer information, I wouldn’t have landed up with a CD4 count of 2 and on my deathbed. Okay, so I’m not blaming people, it was up to me to educate myself, but seeing that there is money available for education, it might as well be useful, clear, factual scientific information, instead of a kind of moralistic tone, and it just needs to be clearer.

Nokhwezi Hoboyi: How did you get the courage to keep on writing, while you were in your sick bed?

Adam Levin: When I first tested positive, I got very sick very quickly and it was a nightmare. So I just wrote, really for myself, to try and make sense of this thing as it was happening. And then I was very frightened to publish it because it had been so personal. In June this year, this book was a co-winner of the Alan Paton award. This was wonderful for me, and at the same time it was a little bit scary, because I got a lot of media on this, it was front page of Sunday Times, and I just got a little worried. I thought, ‘Maybe this sends out some twisted message to people, that if you get HIV, you’re gonna win prizes, you’re gonna be on TV’ And so I was very clear to say.. that I’m proud of many things I’ve done, I’m proud of writing this book, I’m not proud of getting infected. It was the stupidest thing I’ve ever done, and from people who are negative, the most important thing is to stay negative. But, for people who are positive, there’s a lot of work you can do and your contribution right now is completely vital.

Shalom Ncala: Sifuna futhi uku amukhela uSithembile Sefako ovela kaLoveLife.Welcome Sithembile, unjani sis? siyajabula ukubanawe. Kodwa okhokuqala Iqembu leSiyayinqoba lakhuluma netsha izwe lonke okuthola ukuthi licabangani ngababhodi okukhangisa we-LoveLife.Masibukheni. {IsiZulu} [We would also like to welcome Sithembile Sefako, from loveLife. How are you? We are glad to have you join us. But first, the Siyayinqoba team spoke to young people around the country to find out what they think of the loveLife billboards. Let’s take a look.]

South Africa, ‘What’s your take on the loveLife billboards?’

Youngman: Ngibona ukuthi lamabhodi lawo awacacile,, awacacisi kahle lamabhodi, ngicabanga ukuthi fanele itshelwe kahle ngomulomo. {IsiZulu} [I don’t think the message on these boards is clear enough, I would prefer to be told verbally.]

Woman: [For me, the billboards are accurate, the things they talk about exist. We see them in our families and people that live around us. A lot of teenagers are falling pregnant and these boards are vital.] {Sesotho}

Woman: Le-poster lengapha nemuva, iyabheda, ayisinikhezi i-information a right ukuthi iyasikhohlisa sicabange ukuthi iHIV itholakala by sleeping around kuphela and ayisinikhezi isithombe abantu ukthi bayithola kanjani HIV. Ngoba if ngingumama ngi hlala kuma rural areas nginimukhwenyana wami oyendwa and then uyabuya anginekheze i-HIV, angizange ngihambe ngayo sleeper around then ngiyayithola i-HIV, kodwa uthole omunye umfana ohlala eThekwini onama girlfriends lets say awu-six and he uses a condom and yena akayitholi i-HIV, so ayisiniki i-information a right iyasi misleader. Mina angicabangi ukuthi i-rigth, if ngokwami nje benginga ngibela ngiyisuse. {IsiZulu} [This billboard behind me is misleading. It makes us think that we can only get HIV from sleeping around. It doesn’t give a full picture of how people actually get HIV. If you’re a woman living in the rural areas and you have one partner, he can infect you without you sleeping around. But you find that a guy living in the city has about six girlfriends, and he uses condoms and doesn’t get infected with HIV. So this is misleading information, it’s not right. If it were up to me, I’d get up there and take it off!]

Young girls: Mabangayibekha nge African language, ingakwazi ukufikelela kwabanye abantu.{IsiZulu} [If the message was in African languages, it could reach more people.]

Angela Stewart Buchanan, Media Director, loveLife: The loveLife approach is a positive lifestyle, so we tackle HIV from a love of life perspective. So when you see loveLife, you think of things positive you want to have a life that is filled with aspirations, your dreams, your goals and things like that to get young people through media, it’s a very brand driven world that we’re living in, so they are open to those kinds of messages, so we run a high profile media campaign using television, public service announcements, radio programming as well as adverts, the magazine ‘Uncut’, billboards and all for their specific usage. The billboards advertise our call centre, so it drives people to phone in and speak one on one with a counsellor. Well, it’s very difficult to say from a media perspective, ‘Media change somebody’s behaviour’. And in fact, we come from the approach that media can’t. Media can have that call to action, so that somebody will pick up the phone to find out more information, but it’s how you then deal with that, that talking with somebody, getting involved in programmes that provide a lifestyle that is going to reduce your risk of contracting the virus, those are the kinds of things that we look out for.

Woman: Mna into endiyicingayo kwezibhodi ezi, yikuba baziyenza zibekhulu zibekhuye zonke izindawo zibonakhale zixaxa ebathwini. {IsiXhosa}[I think these billboards should be made bigger and erected everywhere so that people can see them.]

Young woman: Bakwenzile, bazamile {IsiXhosa} [They’ve tried] as much as they could, and it just has to be you that has to do it.

Support group

Shalom Ncala: Into ingifuna ukuyazi, ke batla gore o re hlalosetse hantle {IsiZulu and Sesotho} [Sithembile can you please explain to us] what kind of messages are you sending out to teenagers who have already got into themselves HIV and is there a message of positive living per say in loveLife.

Sithembile Sefako: There is a lot of message of positive living, I just want to clear something. We’ll always have our different ways of interpreting what loveLife writes on the billboards and the other things is as loveLife we are using billboards to position our brand and we have a 0800 number for young people, for instance, if you’re confused about the message that you see on a billboard, you can call the Thethajunction number, it’s 24 hours. There’s a lot of positive living, and there’s a lot of positive messages that we work with. My thing would be, change in terms of how young people look at HIV/AIDS will never happen through media. That’s one of our strategies. But change really comes when we come to a face-to-face interaction with young people, which is beyond what you see on a billboard.

Adam Levin: Okay Sithembile, for me, what’s worrying, I see a lot of money spent on these billboards with these very vague messages. Now, I remember when I was living in New York, I would go to clubs and I would see posters with very clear information. Things like, it sounds very crude, but, ‘Pulling out is not safe’. I got such a fright when I saw this because I always had this idea that if you don’t ejaculate when you’re having sex, then it’s fine. For me to get this information was vital. You’re talking about reducing transmission rates, shouldn’t those very clear messages be on the boards. Shouldn’t messages about oral sex statistics be on the board, rather than this big luxury branding that you see for jeans advertisements or something like that. Wouldn’t that be more effective?

Sithembile Sefako: Let’s not forget that we’re dealing with 12 – 17 year olds target group for loveLife. So for us when we design when we create our messages we have young people in mind, the target, the people that we’re talking to, I don’t think that amaparents would allow us to say okay we, our target audience is 12 – 17, the next thing we’re talking about is oral sex, pulling it in and stuff like.

Adam Levin: Kids are not stupid, they know that.

Sithembile Sefako: We need to… we cannot be everything to everyone. We have a specific target, we have a specific goal as loveLife, and our target is 12 – 17 years old and that’s who we…

Shalom Ncala: Twelve to seventeen year olds are having sex. I’ve got proof of that.

Sithembile Sefako: Yes, they are having sex, they are having sex. That’s why I’m saying, we are a prevention AIDS campaign for young people in our country, and are trying to keep those young people negative.

Busisiwe Maqungo: I’m worried nxa wusithi i-target yenu twelve to seventeen years and yet inansika yenu zivague ngelahlobo phayana, cause now I;m siiting hear ndizamu uku understand ungaba umtana ona twelve nxa yi vague ngolahlobo i-message uzayifumana na?{IsiXhosa} [I’m worried that when you say your target is 12 to 17 year olds, and yet your messaging is so vague. I wonder if a 12-year old can understand the message.]

Sithembile Sefako: Us in loveLife, if you’ve been following us like you’re saying, you would know that we address issues like transactional sex, like peer pressure, sexual coercion and such issues and when we are looking at transactional sex we are talking exactly your frustration ngo sisi wakho uthi uthi ona seventeen [with your sister when you say what about my sister who is seventeen] sleeping with a man 45 years old man. Those are the issues that we’re focusing on, that you will hear us talking about on your radio, on a daily basis. Those are the issues when you go to our centres. We know that we’re dealing with poverty here. Most of our programmes are rolling out in rural areas. We know what’s happening right there. Those are the issues masikhuluma with young people sikhuluma ngawo [we talk about to young people] in schools… {IsiZulu}

Shalom Ncala: [We talk more about books, media and HIV after the break. Stay tuned.] {Sesotho}

Shalom Ncala: Mbukheli siyakhu amukhela fithi lapha eqenjini le Siyayinqoba Beat It! Uhlelo lawowonke umntu ongenwe futhi othintekayo nge HIV. Sino Yolisa Njamela ovela kuzintsiza zazindaba ze health E ukusisiza ukuthi sibhekisise iSiyayinqoba Beat It! Ninjani sisi, nathi sisa phila, sijabulela ukubanawe nahlanje. Kulesi siqephu, sithathe isinqumo sokubheka uhlelo lwethu ukuthola ukuthi ababukeli bethu bacabangani. I qembu leSiyayinqoba ihlele iqembu iliqhondisiwe ukuyibekheza iSiyayinqoba Beat It!Masihambeni siyobana ukuthi bathini ngalokhu.{IsiZulu} [Welcome back to the Siyayinqoba Beat It! support group. The programme for everyone infected and affected by HIV. Joining us is Yolisa Njamela, from Health-e news service to help us take a critical look at Siyayinqoba Beat It! welcome Yolisa how are you? Thanks for joining us today. For this episode, we decided to take a look at our own programme to find out what our audience thinks. The Beat It! team organised a focus group to review Siyayinqoba Beat It! Let’s find out what they had to say.]

Cape Town, Western Cape,
‘What do you think about Siyayinqoba/Beat it?’

Belinda Madliwa, 24, peer educator: For mna ukhubukela i Beat It! qala kuba ndingena xesha HIV ndiva ngayo kakhulu, and then uyibona for the first time etivini ubona abantu obaziyo uyothuka kanti nobani ukubone, which is kancinci kancinci yeza abantu barealiser ukuthi iHIV ikhona xakhuthethwa ngomuntu wase America,kuzothethwa ngomuntu ose next door endimubanayo everyday. Whci is kancinci leyonto ibancedile abantu especially ulutsha bahambe bayo testwa itanga yakhe okanye umuntu omaziyo etivini and ba thetha open.{IsiXhosa} [Beat It! for me, because there wasn’t much talk of HIV back then, it was surprising to see people I knew on TV talking openly about HIV. People slowly realized that HIV exists, not only in America. We have it next door, we see it everyday. It helped people, especially the youth, they started going for HIV tests because they see people their own age on the programme talking openly.]

Nwabisa Njaba, 23, receptionist: And even for mna like abantu after bendibona ,hay’bo kathi uNwabisa uHIV positive but abatnu bakhubane ukuba akhonto ishoyo, lento umntu imunika ecourage uhambe uyo tester.{IsiXhosa} [When people saw me on the show, they were surprised that I’m living with HIV because I’m living positively. It gives people courage to go and test.] .

Karen Williams, 27, physiotherapist: The show’s identified that young kids and young people need to be empowered. So is the show gonna give them a tool, you know? So we said, okay, they need to learn, they need to be educated, they need to be informed, so if this young girl, 16-year-old is watching the show, so she realises, ‘Okay, something’s not right here’. Is the show going to show them how, help them in that way?

Belinda Madliwa: Mna I feel as if iHIV especially ku Beat It! yezwele ngathi i kuthi abantu sha, always makhuthethwa nge HIV kuboniswa umntu omsha no mama wakhe no tata wakhe ku supporting role. {IsiXhosa} [I feel that HIV, especially on Beat It! focuses more on the youth. I feel that HIV. When we talk about HIV, it’s a young person, with a parent in the supporting role.]

Meesha Aboo, 28, media student: I think with the support group, it’s can’t only be youth. You need to bring older people into the support group, even if it is just a different person every week for that week is not the same person and every time.

Nwabisa Njaba: Ingase like kubekho more programmes apho kuzovela mhlambe mandithi I friend or i-family or boyfriend or husband yalomntu o HIV positive like kucacise uhlala njani nomntu oHIV positive, bazokwazi nabantu ababukeleyo uku understander, okay fine njengoba u-sister wami a HIV positive ndingamunakekela njani ndinga hlala njani naye, ngabo kubakhona i-programme izinjalo {IsiXhosa} [ I wish for a programme where a friend, a family member, a boyfriend, or a husband of someone who is HIV positive explains how they live with a person living with HIV. That will help people understand how to live with and care for relatives living with HIV. I wish for such a programme.]

Luvuyo Nibe, 28, Media Worker: Positive living is not for positive people only. It’s good even for the negative people.

Meesha Aboo: Every week, I think a different HIV negative person should be part of the support group in that sense.

Belinda Madliwa: Always talking about HIV, HIV, HIV. For someone who’s pigheaded, maybe that would come as, ‘Okay, it’s cool to be HIV positive, because you’re going to be on TV, everybody talks about being HIV positive, everybody talks about ARVs’, but we also need to use people who are HIV negative and HIV positive to focus on prevention.

Derrick Fine, 47, Writer: We’ve all got different experiences of disclosure. What about Beat It! doing a series of guidelines on disclosure, to make it easier for other people to disclose?

Zukisa Klaas, 23, Peer Educator: Abantu abadala once uthethe nge HIV bathetha ukuba yinto yabantwana, asiyinto yabo abantu badala, so eziklinic bakhona abantu abadala aba HIV positive so if bekhunokwa kuyiwe pha khuba, bathethe ngezistiri zabo {IsiXhosa} [Adults think that HIV is only infecting the youth. We should go to adults living with HIV in clinics and ask them to share their stories.]

Belinda Madliwa: Lastly, mna ndifuna ukuthi kwi team ka Beat It! thank you for this kind of show abayiyenzayo] {IsiXhosa} I’d like to say to the Beat It team, thank you for the kind of show you’re doing] for the young people, for making our parents understand what we, as the youth of today, are going through. For making the other youth out there understand what’s happening in their own communities.

Luvuyo Nibe: What do we want from Beat It, what do we want to see? We want to see from the youngster to the elders. We want to see the whole family. We want to see the positive, the negative. We want to see my mother, my father, everyone being involved with the positive people.

Support group

Lihle Dlamini: As much as abantu living with HIV, we should also include issues that affect other people who are not living with HIV. I mean like our messages should, I target market yethu should be abantu who are living with HIV but then not living out abatnu abangakabi HIV, abathelekile nge HIV.{IsiZulu} [our target market should be abantu who are living with HIV but the we should not exclude people affected by HIV.]

Busisiwe Maqungo: And I think enye izinto yazibanakhalisa lento leyo itnobana I message yethu beyinga celanga kwicala leliyi one. [I think another thing which shows that our message is not one-sided,] are the letters and emails that we get from the viewers. Besingafumani I letters bezisukha kubantu abapositive kuphela, we also get letters from people abanegative as well ba thetha ngabantu babo okanye nge issues abanazo be HIV negative nabantu abanga testi because funeka sinjonge asingo negative no positive kuphela kukho nabo abangatesti abangasazi istaus sabo. {IsiXhosa} [We don’t get letters from HIV positive people only. We also get letters form HIV-people, talking about their family members, or issues that bother them, and from those who haven’t yet tested. We must remember that there are those who don’t know their status.]

Yolisa Njamela, Health-e news: We need messaging encancisayo kubantu bonke ukuba iphilo elungileyo generally to live positively [that explains clearly what positive living means to live positively is this way]. So even though we need have messaging for positive people or people living with the virus, we still need ukuba sibandibanise abantu natsi i messeging natsi i information phila oluhlobo [to mobilise the masses and say here is the messaging, here’s some information, live your life this way.] Once we try to isolate people who are living with HIV, we’re perpetrating the stereotype basically ukuba abantu who are HIV positive bona baphila uhlobo oluthile.[that people living with HIV can only live a certain way.] {IsiXhosa}

Adam Levin: South Africa has got AIDS, and the world has got AIDS. And if you care about the world, you care about this country; it’s your problem as well. So, I think continuing to break up into who’s negative, who’s positive, I don’t think is helping us. I think we need to take responsibility and say, ‘This country has got it, it’s all of our problems’.

Vuyani Jacobs: We must never glamourise HIV. We must never glamourise who we are, because who we are is just using our experiences to educate and give a direction to other people. We are not Isidingo. We are not Generation. Finish and klaar {Afrikaans} [done]. So there’s no glamour. Just Shalom Ncala, living with HIV, trying to make sure that women’s issues, young people’s issues, are put on the board.

Yoliswa Njamela: Can I quickly perhaps… what’s Beat It! how’s Beat It! supposed to improve, I don’t know if it is the right word. Maybe have guest who are white heterosexual males, who are HIV positive, who live with the virus, because there’s still a myth that they are Yokuba bona abanayo. [not infected or affected.] If you do have the virus as a white person, then you must be gay. We need ukuba si- explaine ebantwini ukuba ivirus le ufumana kumntu wokhe. [ We need to explain to people that anyone can get HIV.] You are old, you are young, you are white, you are brown, you are purple. And the more nifakha icoulor kwishow ndi believe ukuba ku the more abantu bazoqonda nokho yonke lento iyasi affector everywhere. [and the more you add colour to the show, the more I believe that will make people understand that HIV affects everyone.] {IsiXhosa}

Sithembile Sefako: For us it’s very easy for an HIV negative person to say that we need to make sure that we don’t separate people, it’s about the virus. But, I will challenge you to have people like your husband, people that are in contact, that have relationships. Other guys, when you say to them, ‘Okay, a friend of mine is HIV positive and her boyfriend is negative’. They go like, ‘is he crazy, to be with that girl?’ What does it take for me as a man to take a woman who is positive, and love her, because she is human. And what gives you that courage [to be able to say, ‘I love her the way she is, I’m going to marry her and we can have kids’.] {Sesotho}

Shalom Ncala: Siyaphinda futhi sikhuluma ngezincwadi nezokuxhumana kanye ne HIV emva kwekhefu. Siyabuya {IsiZulu} [We talk more about books, media and HIV after the break. We’ll be right back.]

Shalom Ncala: Mbukheli siyakhu amukhela fithi lapha eqenjini le Siyayinqoba Beat It! Uhlelo lawowonke umntu ongenwe futhi othintekayo nge HIV {IsiZulu} [Welcome back to the Siyayinqoba to the Siyayinqoba Beat It! support group. The programme for everyone infected and affected by HIV.]

Lihle Dlamini: I think the media has changed so much in a positive way, because in the past we only saw stories of people dying of AIDS, lying in bed, kills and all this stuff. It has changed tremendously because we have shows like Beat It! we have loveLife, we have shows like Soul City where they talk about HIV, they show people with HIV. Many people were experiencing discrimination. We have Isidingo, Nandipha is also now going to start anti-retrovirals, and I think a lot has changed in the media. And I think it’s unfair of us to expect everything to happen suddenly. Zonke izinto zizoyenzake as time goes by. Emva khokuthi nami ngi diagnose with HIV. [Things will improve as time goes by. After I was diagnosed with HIV,] I thought, ‘I’ve seen shows like Siyayinoqba Beat It! I can still live positively with HIV. I can survive this virus’. And here I am now. . Ukuqaleni bengingasebenzi living on i-grant now ngiya sebenza [I wasn’t working, living on a government grant, and now I’m employed.] and if people come to me and say to me, ‘Oh, we see you on TV’, I say, ‘Do you listen to what we say?’, not, ‘I’m a celebrity’, but, ‘Do you actually listen to what we say, do you do the things that we talk about?’ That’s the most important thing that people should be listening to us not seeing us as celebrities, but listen to what we say and actually do the right things for ourselves. {IsiZulu}

Shalom Ncala: Namhlanje sifunde ukuthi kumela sikhuthaza ukumelana kwabantu abaphila nge HIV. Khumele sikhubhekisise ukubika obunobadlulula sinakele nomuthelele ukunakho. Uma ubana ukubika okunomilayezo umubi noma umulayezo umubi yenza okunye ngalokho. Bhalela amephepha ndabeni ubabikele ngokungakuphathi kahle lokho yilungelo lakho. Sibonga zonke izincwadi zenu enizuthumelayo sicela nihlale nizithumela njalo. Siyayijabulela imibono yenu nemi buzo yenu ngakho ke sicela kumniningwane eniyibona ngezansi. Sithemba ukuthi ulijabulele uhlelo lwethu futhi unomoya wo Siyayinqoba sisonke singayohlula. Hlangana nathi futhi evikini elizayo eqenjweni leSiyayinqoba Beat It! Kuze kube yileso sikhathi hlala unephilo futhi unethemba.Salani kahle. {IsiZulu} [Today we’ve learnt that we need to encourage a responsible representation of people living with HIV. We need to be critical of biased reporting and be aware of the impact it has. If you see reporting that sends a harmful message or that misinforms, do something about it. Write to the newspapers, make a complaint, it’s your right. Thanks for all the letters and please keep them rolling in. We value your comments, suggestions and questions, so please write to us at the contact details below. Lastly, keep watching this show. At Siyayinqoba, our aim is to make sure that everyone infected and affected has all the info they need to stay healthy and happy. Join us again next week in the Siyayinqoba Beat It! support group. Until then, stay healthy, stay positive Goodbye]

Question: There are very few high profile people who are open about their HIV status, yes or no?

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